trespass
This means to infringe or encroach on another's property, but it seems to me that it used to mean TRANSGRESS in a more general sense ("...forgive those who trespass against us.").What happened, and...
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Yup, and to close the circle (as in trespassers will be shot) the Renaissance French writers used "Trpas" (or rather "trespas" in their spelling) to mean "death" (i.e crossing over to the other...
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The now-dominant sense of entering someone else's property is a later specification of the earlier, general sense of transgression. The general sense is cited as early as the late 13th century in the...
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I believe the question has to do with the variation in wording in the Lord's Prayer between "trespasses" (traditionally used by Roman Catholics and those in the Anglican tradition, including...
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> When it came to language used in worship services, "trespasses" was chosen by leaders of the Church of England, and "debts" by the Scottish and English Presbyterians. (Now before anyone goes off...
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And yet all we know from this is that at the time of these translations, the word trespass included the idea of transgression in the English language (quite Modern at the time). Whether or not the...
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NIV (New International Version) has used the word 'sins' (and it doesn't use 'thee' and 'thou') for some time now.Edit:I knew it! This is just God's way of getting me to read my Bible again!
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>And yet all we know from this is that at the time of these translations, the word trespass included the idea of transgression in the English language (quite Modern at the time). Whether or not the...
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I'm not convinced either way. Are there any early French citations earlier that would at least give us a clearer idea of how it was used in French?I cannot argue the original meaning of the word,...
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Ah, so all we need to convince you is to find a 13th century source expounding upon what "trespass" *doesn't* mean.Yeah, I can see debating with you is going to be lots of fun.
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The n. "trespass" is apparently used in both senses in a single source (not cited by name), dated around 1300, in Chambers. "Sin" is clearly *implied* in one such use and "land trespass" in the other....
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You needn't convince me of anything. I simply am allowing for the possibility that the word may not have orginally meant sin or that it meant both of these things. I don't beleive I am being...
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To be honest, I posted a very similar letter to yours, not long after I discovered this forum - and in response to similar criticism. I should've kept it handy for cut'n paste... twice this month *at...
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And forgive me if I seemed harsh. It's just that:1) the assumption that the current most familiar sense of a word must be the original, and less familiar ones must be later derivations, is a frequent...
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>>It's very unlikely that you'll find a Middle English source saying "tresspass, by they way, does not mean walking on someone else's property" or a Middle Dutch source saying "This word, by the...
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I think we've lost the point above that there may be THREE meanings. Current: land incursion; prior: transgression; ?original: traversement. Need not be an "incursion" in any sense; just a meaning...
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I suppose "prohibido los tres pasos" would be the closest to wg's suggested phrase ie don't you dare take three steps in here!Joking aside....The word that comes closest to trespass in Spanish appears...
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From the OED2 (paraphrased):Trespass, n., ME. trespas, a. OF. trespas passing across, passage, transgression of an order or law, offence, vbl. n. fr. trespasser, mod.F. trpasser to pass away, die: see...
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I am not arguing with Dr. T's "sin before invasion" explanation - I [now] wanna know about the "walking thru a (my OWN) field".Why does everyone keep mentioning this, and then ignoring it?! The first...
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Traipsing (as in wandering aimlessly along) seems related (1593), and probably arises from a dialect variant of Fr. trepasser. How this arose is far from clear but its date is later than any supplied...
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I give it to Dr. T, Dave and the OED. I don't feel like trudging through books and documents to find an earlier citation. I admit I wonder if there might be earlier references and as to what they may...
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